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The Iraqi Elections

A lecture delivered to the Gulf Culture Club

On Thursday 20th January, 2005

By *Ali Allawi

The Iraqi election is one of the most burning issues in Iraq, both  literally and metaphorically. Many people have drawn a line in the sand and the elections are one of defining characteristics of modern Iraqi history – possibly re-defining Iraq’s history as a territorial unit.

 

I do not want to sound too dramatic but this is a critical issue which is being faced by Iraq and by the Arab and Muslims. The results may be positive and beneficial or they may not be. You can’t over state the importance of these elections.

 

If you believe in cause and effect these elections came about in terrestrial terms because of the American invasion, occupation or liberation of Iraq – depending on which side of the argument you come down on. Without that cataclysmic  moment it would be very difficult to envisage the coming elections in Iraq.  It would certainly be difficult to envisage any democratic elections in the context of the former regime.

 

We are at the brink, we are at the point where the country can tilt one way or another – it can move towards reconciling a number of age-old issues and problems that have found a battlefield in Iraq. These are issues dealing with ethnicity, sectarianism, national identity – the cross roads of various cultures and civilizations which happened to cross Iraq. Iraq is in many ways a transit station for various cultures and civilizations. It is not only the battle ground between Arab and Persian. It is also the battleground between Arab and Arab, between Turk and Persian and various international interests that have found in Iraq the place where they want to resolve disputes.

 

So Iraq is not any old state. The resolution of these issues in Iraq will have a critical impact on the evolution of democracy in the region.

 

One of the first things we have to understand is why am as an individual and why are many Iraqis participating in these elections. Many questions have arisen about the elections: can they be seen as legitimate, can you hold elections under occupation, what is the meaning of an election if a  segment of the population refuses to participate or  if  there is only a certain percentage of a turnout. These are ethical questions, questions of political theory. What is our understanding of democracy? What is it that we are calling for when we call for elections? Are we calling for a democratic order? Are we calling for a representative government? Are we calling for the introduction of rights? What kind of rights? Natural rights? Civil rights? Ethnic rights? Community rights? All these issues are the backdrop to the elections in Iraq. They have not been articulated but they are certainly there and there is debate raging inside the country and outside, both amongst Arabs, Muslims  and in the world at large.

 

When the US talked about bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq what did it actually mean? How do we as Iraqis understand democracy. Nobody questions now that some kind of representative democratic order is the way forward in the country. I don’t think any group  including the Islamists on the fringes of the political movement do not dispute the need for some kind of electoral system through which a representative government is formed. There are some eccentric groups who demand the return of the khalifate and their influence inside the country is marginal.

 

So representative government, democracy, elections are accepted now as part of the political discourse inside Iraq. What is not accepted is what these terms mean and how is this going to be brought about. Are we going to have a democratic order? How do these elections fit into this system?

 

From the first days when the Americans invaded the country there was some serious questioning not about their intentions but what do they actually mean when they say they want to introduce democracy to the country? Actions speak louder than words. If one reviews the history of the American pronouncements as to the correct political order inside Iraq there are enormous changes. There are at least six or seven different permutations in a very short space of time as to how this country is going to be governed.  None of them have any democratic elements to them.

 

On the earliest occasion when the issue of the governance of Iraq arose, that was in the London Conference of December 2002, there was an underlying empathy on the part of the US administration that a government composed primarily of exile groups who were going to emerge in the form of a leadership council  were going to be involved in running the country.

 

So we went into the London conference believing that the US and the Western world was going to back the formation of a transitional government that was going to be composed mainly of opposition elements and that the levers of power would be handed over as soon as the military aspects of the campaign were over. This was in fact confirmed in another conference in Salahudin in northern Iraq a few weeks before the outbreak of the war. The US representative Khalizad confirmed that is US policy at that point to support the formation of a transitional authority that would be composed  primarily of exiled opposition parties and groups.

 

No sooner had this happened than all sorts of other noises came about. There was no talk about democracy and elections. The talk was all about a transitional appointed government composed of Iraqis who were going to run the country and they would come up with the transitional mode through which elections would come about.

 

A few weeks after the war and subsequently in May the representative of the US government again explicitly stated that we are waiting for the formation of a transitional government, composed primarily of exile opposition groups, peppered with some opposition personalities from the inside with whom they had some earlier contacts. That was the set policy of the US in April 2003.

 

We than began to hear all sorts of other permutations: statements about a military government. There was a serious debate that Iraq should be run as an occupied country directly controlled and run by an American general. That gave way to something called the Office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Affairs whereby the occupation was Iraq was seen primarily as an issue of reconstruction and logistics. General Jay Garner was brought in to kick start the reconstruction process while this provisional government was being formed.

 

So we now have three – possibly four – permutations as to the governance of the country with not a word about democracy or the actual workings of the machinery of democracy which was to be introduced in Iraq in order to consult the people as to how they were going to be governed.

 

No sooner had we adjusted to this state of affairs then along came Paul Bremer who was appointed, initially with vice regal powers. This is from his own mouth and it has been repeated to others so it is not a secret. The conditions under which he accepted the job of the chief civilian  administrator were that he would have vice regal powers for at least five years.

 

There was no discussion about democracy or elections. Iraq was going to be run the way in which Germany and Japan were run. This created a huge up roar with the opposition politicians who had thrown in their lot with the USA. After increasing pressure a consultative arrangement was made and there was an attempt to create a council whose role was going to be advisory. That was the precursor to the Iraq Governing Council which was established in June 2003. Reluctantly it started off as a consultative affair and subsequently began to have some power. Nothing to do with elections and nothing to do with consulting the people.

 

It is at that point in June 2003 that the voice of Ayatollah Sistani  was heard. He had kept his peace until now and had made no public utterance as to his real position and his views about how the country should be governed. He merely stated that the occupation should end as soon as possible. In June he made it explicit: there will be no acceptable constitutional arrangement in Iraq, no legitimate power without consulting the people through a democratic election. He did not use the world ‘democratic’ but he used the world ‘election’. In June of that year little attention was paid to that statement. It was taken as just a position that had to contend with the reality of American power, the reality of the American attempt to create an arrangement with the former opposition parties.  He was viewed as distant and not central to the affair.

 

The next cycle in the saga of  introducing democracy and elections in Iraq was the issue relating to the establishment of a governing administrative authority – an Iraqi cabinet. This took about two months before Mr Bremer conceded that he and his group could not run the country directly and had to operate through Iraqis who knew the country and who knew how to administer it and on that basis the cabinet was formed through the initiative of the Governing Council with the approval of Mr Bremer.

Then other events happened that changed the American perspective about how to govern this country. The first and most important one was the assassination of Sergio de Mella and the increasing level of violence that took place in the summer of 2003 and also the assassination of Mohammed Baqir Al Hakim. At that time a kind of panic descended on the United States that these arrangements that they have in place could withstand the apparent legitimacy of  governing bodies that they put together and intensive discussions began to take place about how the transitional arrangements were going to take place whereby America, the CPA and the coalition is going to transfer authority to the Iraqis.

 

At that point the issue of drawing up a constitution arose. The first step that the Americans and CPA proposed, and it was about to be proposed by the Governing Council was that there should be a kind of constitutional convention drawn from representatives of the various provinces, nominated through closed caucus systems. The idea was that the process would have caucuses in the 18 provinces and these in turn would nominate leaders who would then assemble in the form of a constitutional convention and they would come up with a constitution for the country which would then determine political progress in the country.

 

It was then that Ayatollah Sistani intervened once again by insisting that no constitutional convention can exist in Iraq and can be authorized to write the constitution without a reference to the people directly. The Governing Council was on the verge of accepting the American proposal of caucuses and if it were not for the intervention of the Grand Ayatollah in this it would have been highly probable that the caucus system would have  gone through and we would have had a constitutional convention that would have come up with a constitution which would not be a democratically elected convention through universal suffrage. It was going to be done through indirect elections in a controlled manner whereby the end  result would have been pre-determined to some extent by the choice of candidates.

 It was then that the CPA  and the Governing Council understood the real power that the Ayatollah had amongst a large number of people in the country. At that point not a single party (and I am including those who were outside the Governing Council and purported to oppose the American occupation and the coalition had discussed the issue of elections or raised the demand for democratic elections to resolve the conundrum as to how to transfer power from the CPA to a legitimate, sovereign, Iraqi state.

 The reason I am saying all these things is to show you the influence that a single man has had on the flow of  political events inside the country. Without looking at things in perspective I think we fall into the trap of seeing things in terms of the current crisis: the red hot crisis that affects the issues today. So putting them  in context will allow us to see how the role of the marjiah, the principle source of Shariah-based authority, to the majority of the population of Iraq – what role they played in pushing the country towards a democratic, elected alternative.

 Once the issue was raised in that way, once  politicians fell into line with this being translated into street demonstrations demanding that the idea of the caucuses be abandoned and demanding that elections were the way forward the CPA caved in and the Governing Council found its courage and they confronted the CPA about the caucus method of selecting the constitutional convention for the country.

 The next battle ground which I was involved in directly, was to do with the date by which these elections were going to be held. The Grand Ayatollah, and those politicians who picked up their queues from him insisted on as short a period as possible. The CPA along with a large number of Governing Council members wanted to extend that process – the transitional arrangement for the country – for three, possibly four years. They thought of  even getting the Governing Council to renew its mandate and the coalition continuing until 2008 before there would be general elections for a constitutional convention.

 The Grand Ayatollah then took the lead in demanding that elections be held as soon as possible and practical. He would not accept the claim of the CPA that these things need a great deal of time to prepare and need a great deal of logistical and legal work. He insisted that UN come in and examine the possibility of holding elections as soon as possible and certainly not later than June 30th, 2004.

 The UN came with a mind set against holding elections sooner rather than later. The lady who came, Karenia Perzi, is a world class expert on elections, she heads the UN’s elections monitoring and supervising office and I spent nine days with her and her team to address the issues. This was mine, and possibly most Iraqis first experience of managing elections.  The problems seemed insurmountable: questions of who is going to be on the electoral list, who is an Iraqi, what do you do with the Iraqis abroad, what about the need for a law governing political parties – all the technical parafenelia that they could use to thwart the holding of elections were used convincingly until they convinced the Grand Ayatollah that elections could not be held on June 30th.

 The main issue that they raised was that there was no kabast – a book which can act as an electoral register.  We were positive  that the food coupon system, or food rationig system, which was administered  then by my Ministry of Trade had a broad enough scope and was sufficiency technically sophisticated to be seen to be all inclusive. They started attacking it and attacking its inclusiveness and pointing to all kinds of holes in it which even I was not aware of. The view that these elections could not be held in June won the day. I think they were very much influenced by the CPA and by a general fear – at that time it was not  very articulate, about the desirability of holding elections  - even if feasible in a short period of time.

 So we had this awkward situation whereby the CPA, the US and the UK had already agreed to transfer sovereignty to an Iraqi government by June 30th but without elections being held to install a legitimate government that would legitimize the  whole process of sovereignty. We had the situation under which the Transitional Administrative Law acted as a kind of interim constitution and an interim government was authorized by UNSC 1546 that was going to manage the period from the time of the withdrawal of the CPA and the period whereby elections would be held.

 Most of the problems that we have now would not have arisen, I believe, if we had followed the advice and the representations of the Grand Ayatollah to hold elections  by June 30th. None of the claims that the UN used in this period proved to be true. In fact, elections now are going to be held based upon the  register of those people who had the oil-for-food coupon.

 The system that they had denounced as being imperfect and incapable of acting as an electoral register is the very system that they are basing the elections on and the very system that they are insisting is going to be fair and adequate. I  believed from the beginning that it was fair and adequate. One of the few things that Saddam did that was of any consequence was the good rationing system. It was all encompassing except in the northern areas which had their own programme and that was also  quite inclusive.

 The current statistics show that the gap between what is the effective population of Iraq and the population of Iraq  as represented by the food coupon programme is less than 200,000. So it was a pretty  effective way of designing and defining an electoral system.

 So after this  saga of politicians who were not sure where they stood in terms of elections  - the CPA was not sure about the way  in which elections would go, what was the public as a whole going to accept, uncertainty as to what the general  Western or US position as to what constitutes an acceptable income, and fear and loathing of a large number of groups inside Iraq and especially in nearby Arab countries as to what the elections might produce, we ended up with this compromise. But the main weakness of the system that was put in place to manage the transfer of authority from the CPA to a sovereign Iraq government is the six or seven month of the current government. It is neither fish nor foul. It is a government which has sovereignty attached to it as a result of the UN resolution but has legitimizing presence in the country.

 It is a government whose sole function, in my mind, was to administer and manage the elections but a government which in the process has been used to push certain security policies and at the same time has been used to push certain internal security arrangements that would affect the nature of the Iraqi state. In the last two months this government, which is supposed to be a neutral arbiter,  a government that was organized principally to manage the process leading to elections has become partisan. Parts of it have become partisan and parts of it have in fact disintegrated and ceased to act as cohesive unit, as a cabinet. It acts more and more as a group of political parties competing for political power.

 I have said this to  show that there is a great deal of wisdom on the part of the 70 plus Ayatollah in Najaf. And the army of consultants, the army of western technocrats and Iraqi politicians and would be politicos who came up with 1001 alternative scenarios would not have led us into this position we are in now if it were not for the insistence of the merjaiah in Najaf on the need and necessity  of a legitimizing election.

 So this is really the background to the process in Iraq. It is just a follow-up to what is going to come. As we all know the violence in the country has escalated, large numbers of people feel that these elections cannot be legitimate, a large number of people are going to boycott and, most dangerously it would appear,  that the constituent components of the Iraqi body politic, which was the Arab Sunni community, may boycott  these elections in a significant way, thereby rendering the outcome perhaps (and I say this guardedly) illegitimate or  potentially illegitimate.

 There are issues relating to the continuing of violence. Can you hold elections under such violent  conditions. There are also issues relating to the technical and logistical  aspects of these elections and I would like to address each one of these.

 The main argument for postponing these elections has been that  a certain essential component of the tripartite  composition of Iraq may feel it  will be short changed. It feels that the process leading to this has been  confirmed and therefore they have decided to boycott  elections. My own belief is that this is not the community perspective on the part of the Sunnis. The Arab Sunnis do have a sense that what has happened in the past two years has been to their detriment  and has led to the marginalization of their communities. It may lead to their loss of power and a re-definition of the  identity of Iraq which will not  necessarily work to their advantage. There is no doubt about it. I think a significant number of Sunnis do not see democracy as an alternative to the exercise of power. They do not see democracy as an alternative to exercise of power. They do not see democracy as an  alternative to potential marginalization and they do not see the safeguards in a democratic order as an alternative perspective on what Iraq as a country is all about.

 Their perspectives are real, they have to be addressed and they have to be engaged with. You can’t isolate them and say let the ballot box rule. The ballot box will rule because the adverse of the coin is  also invalid by any democratic rule. You cannot hold a majority hostage to a minority irrespective of what it may – Sunni, Shia, Kurd, Arab, French, English, Catholic, Protestant. It has to be taken as a factor, as a restraining, constraining factor in an order whereby the majority does not exercise its majority tyrannically.

 The opposite as far as democracy or any theory of justice or equity, be it Western, Arab, Islamic, is not valid. You cannot hold a majority perspective permanently hostage, permanently ransom to a minority’s veto. So the engagement with the Arab Sunnis cannot take place prior to holding the elections. It must take place  when the majority accepts certain rules and constraints on the exercise  of power and proposing grounds for engagement in resolving any issues that may arise.

 What has happened is that a violent minority has seized on the sense of uncertainty and anxiety and has decided to use that to legitimize its own inexcusable  exercise of terror and power. The intimidations, car bombs, assassinations, kidnappings, infiltrations – these are all unacceptable methods and cannot be tolerated in any system moving towards stability and democracy.

 So the argument that the Arab Sunni community is going to be marginalized and has fears and therefore one should postpone the elections because an element of them have decided to take up arms and to use force in order to reflect the anxiety of the others is an unacceptable argument and should not be allowed to stand. Its not that you give in you terror. It is not that you do not give in to terror – we have given in to terror in certain parts of the world in certain cases – but in this conflict you cannot keep a  majoritarian perspective irrespective of its composition. It has to change to a minority.

 The violence in Iraq is not going to stop if the elections are going to be postponed or cancelled. The violence in Iraq is part of a global plan. The Americans claim to have de-capitated  the Saddam state. Certain elements of it were removed. Some were imprisoned, some were incarcerated. There was a very chaotic de-Baathification programme that led to some innocent firings but in the main to a large scale removal from office and then re-absorption back into office of a number of people. It was not effective in changing the nature of the state in Iraq. The state was allowed to fragment. And the Saddamist state, the elements of the old state moved from exercising power into the shadows.

 What we are facing now is a kind of civil war between the former state (the insurgency has the elements of state: money, it is able to collect intelligence, it is able to exert its authority inside the government, it has foreign support, mainly tacit but also organizational particularly from the Syrians, it finances itself from money it has stolen and partly from transfers of money, theft and kidnapping. It exercises its authority in a shadowy way inside the organs of government). This shadow state of Saddam is not interested in sharing power – they are just interested in power. They are not aiming at changing the circumstances and conditions whereby they can participate. They are there to thwart any attempts to reach a democratic conclusion whereby this old state that used to exist and still penetrates very very broadly major sectors of Iraqi society. There will be a day of reckoning with that at some point. These people are using the fear and anxiety and the sense that there is going to be a marginalization of the Arabs in the community, they are using that to legitimize their struggle, insurrection, terror – whatever you want to call it and they are also expropriating the language of resistance to the occupier and they have expropriated the language and the symbols of Islam for their struggle. It does not change their reality.

It does not change the reality. The reality is that we are fighting a battle, there is a kind of race between the ex Saddamists in all its manifestations – it has changed slightly, it has dropped these absurd Baathist slogans like Arab unity and socialism and adopted the symbols of radical Islam and is now fighting this shadowy, dangerous war.

So violence is not an excuse to delay the elections.  The level of violence may not decrease as a result of the elections but the measures that need to be taken to contain the violence and eliminate it will have much greater public support and much greater legitimation.

The technical, logistical arguments are non-sensical because the International Organisation for Migration has done an exceptional job in  organizing the elections both inside the country. It has been able to organize very efficiently under very difficult circumstances quite a complicated machine. Nobody can claim that the electoral register is incomplete and insufficient.

Will these elections solve Iraq’s problems? No the answer is that they won’t. But they are the essential step by which the  popular will is to be expressed. We may end up with a lopsided result.  Sections of the Sunni community may not participate and the results may be scued 

That brings us to the issue of voter turnout. If the global voter turnout is high – by high I mean sixty or sixty-five percent. We need to have these high hurdles is because this assembly is going to be a constitutional assembly. It is  going to draft the constitution. It needs to have, I believe quite a high turnout in order to produce an acceptable result in terms of the number of people  participating. If this result is scued in favour  of the Kurdish and Shia parts of the country then there has to be a counter veiling power exerted to ensure that these people do not come up with a constitution that will work against them.

 

There are three  safeguards to that. The first one is more like a negative safeguard. In the fine print of the Transitional Administrative Law which is the interim constitution it says that any three provinces voting in the majority can block the confirmation of a constitution. So if the constitution is not to the liking of three provinces, they in their majority can vote against it and the constitution becomes null and void and they will have to come back to the drawing board. So there is an implicit insistence on what the constitution writers are going to produce and what is going to be accepted.

 

There is a secondary issue is that there is a dispute as to whether the terms of the TAL can be allowed to constrain the activities of an elected assembly. Some people say and so far the indications are that a freely elected assembly will not be constrained by the conditions of an unelected group of people, even though it has UN sanction. UN sanction did not mention the TAL but it was a political agreement between various groups making up the governing council and the CPA that produced it. This veto right was placed mainly in order to placate the Kurdish provinces. It just so happens that this may be used to placate the Arab Sunni provinces who may not accept the terms of the constitution. That is a negative.

 

A positive way of looking at it is that maybe all the political parties and the majority alliances accept that they must produce a constitution that would be acceptable to all groups inside Iraq. So they may or may not accept the statements of leading political figures to that effect. If there is insufficient Arab-Sunni participation in parliament then I think there will be very serious attempts made to reach out to the opinion leaders in the Sunni community to ensure that their rights, their sense of empowerment is not reduced. Whether that is sufficient or not I don’t know but I believe that there will be after the elections a concerted effort by the insurgents to discredit this possibility and that the level of violence will escalate to the point where it will serious threat. But I believe it will be a short-term hump. If we overcome this hump I think there will be a decisive break within the Arab-Sunni community between the majority perspective and the terrorist- insurrectionist.

 Of course we have to ask ourselves what people want from Iraq. What kind of Iraq are we looking at post elections. I believe that there are five possible outcomes:

 (1)  These elections will produce a very powerful sense of Shia and to a lesser extent Kurdish empowerment and they will insist on dominating the state. They will create a centralized state that will prevail. I don’t think this outcome is likely or desirable. Iraq cannot be run by a tyranny of the majority even if they hold a very large percentage of the seats in parliament.

(2)   A form of regionalization: a great deal of power is devolved from the centre to three or possibly four regions and the political discourse in Iraq moves from the centre to the regions. In some ways this is positive in a sense that it reduces the inter-ethnic or inter-sectarian conflicts. It allows regions to get on with the job. It becomes more about a distribution of resources. Who is going to control Iraq’s resources. Are they going to be distributed by the regions.  I don’t think it is likely but is not an unacceptable outcome.

(3)  A division of the country. If it is impossible to accommodate these groups the country will split into three.

(4)  The fourth option is the worse: the overthrow of the system and the imposition of the old order.  I don’t even want to think about this  so I won’t talk about this.

(5)  The fifth option which is the most desirable may happen if enough sane and wise people emerge to lead the country in the next phase is basically the enshrinement of democratic principles, the enshrinement of human, civil and community rights and  an insistence on their implementation. Then we will be able to co-opt, hopefully an increasingly large number of hitherto alienated groupings into the political process and isolate the terrorists. This requires a great deal of political skill. It also requires that the new Iraqi government continues to insist on the rule of law and democracy despite increasingly reckless challenges to it. If it is able to that and overcome this hump it can happen.

 Anything else that has been trotted out to cast doubt as to the true intentions of the leadership in Najaf, the Shias generally or the united Iraqi Alliance, the so-called Shia list, what there aims are is a lot of nonsense. There is no demand for an Islamic state in the sense of the institutions and principles that govern Iraq. I believe there is  no such thing Shia theory of the state. There is a Shia-Islamist theory but there is no such thing as a Shia perspective on what Iraq should be like. There is only a Shia insistence that their state of disempowernment and disadvantage ends and there is an absolute commitment to democracy and civil and community rights as the basis for any political of constitutional governance of the country.

 We are in a race against time. So are the powers in the area and the global powers who have different and sometimes conflicting agendas as to what they want. I think the United States now knows that it made a strategic blunder from its perspective to enter Iraq in this way.  Neighbouring countries also have their agendas and some of them are openly destructive.

 There is  going to be a great upheaval and re-definition of Iraq away from its modern definition as an Arab-nationalist (Sunni-dominated) state.  It will not be a non-Arab Shia dominated state. But the fact that it has migrated from one definition to an identity that is different is going to create a great  deal of problems in a number of countries.

 

The other problem to do generally with Islam. What is considered  to be legitimate forms of political expression in Islam? As long as the Shia are confined to Iran most of the theories governing what constitutes the external face of acceptable political Islam can be accommodated.

 

If Iraq changes its hew from being a state is defined and associated with  the Arab nationalist Sunni Orthodox perspective on Islam to something else this will create a great deal of mayhem in Islamic and Arab countries. It is very difficult for people (I am talking about Arabs) to see the identity of Iraq changed in this way. This is something they will have to start to deal with. It is a necessary and essential change in the understanding of Muslim as to what constitutes legitimacy and acceptability. A Shia Islam that has a political expression in Iraq, not necessarily in the form of identifying the state as such as is the case in Iran,  but  one whereby it removes the previous definition of Iraq as part of this generalized understanding as to what constitutes legitimate Arab-Islamic rule, this requires a major  change in the mindset and is the next battle that has to be fought.

Once that battle is won, and I think it has to be one, then the process of  finding an accommodating, open Islam would have been well advanced.

* Ali Allawi  is the  former Trade minister, Defence Minister in Post-Saddam Iraqi provisional government. He lived in London before returning to Iraq. In June 2002 he was involved in organising "The Declaration of Iraqi Shia". This statement, signed by a large number of Shia exiles, called for "the establishment of a constitutional parliamentary system" but also stressed the need to preserve "the Islamic cultural identity of Iraqi society". After the collapse of Saddam Hussain’s regime, Mr Allawi was appointed Trade minister. Later he was appointed Defence Minister until the end of last summer.  He had studied in US and UK in late sixties and early seventies with BA in Civil Engineering from MIT, MBA from Harvard and MSC from LSE. He is the Chairman of several companies.

 

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